<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="alignleft size-large"><img decoding="async" width="241" height="209" src="uploads/index-1.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-13673 not-prose"></figure></div><p><span style="color:#9e0000" class="has-inline-color">31<sup>st</sup> January is the death anniversary of Meher Baba, an Indian mystic, and is celebrated by his followers as <strong><em>Amartithi</em></strong><em> (Immortality Day)<strong>.</strong></em> He was born on 25 February 1894 to Irani Zoroastrian parents in Pune India. His teachings are contained in the two books <strong><em>Discourses</em></strong> and <strong><em>God Speaks</em></strong>. Meher Baba remained in silence for the last 45 years of his life.</span></p><p><span style="color:#9e0000" class="has-inline-color">Osho says <em>Meher Baba was a real saint, an authentic sage, one of the greatest mystics of all the ages. He helped many people attain to Enlightenment. But did not get any Nobel Prize for it! Rather he was condemned. Meher Baba, Raman Maharishi, J. Krishnamurti are people who reached to the highest peak of consciousness; they belong to the same category as Gautam Buddha.</em></span></p><p><span style="color:#9e0000" class="has-inline-color">Osho has spoken extensively on Meher Baba in His discourses. Osho says <em>whenever enlightenment happens, either a person becomes absolutely silent or he bursts into song. These are the two possibilities. When Meher Baba attained, he became silent. Then his whole life he remained silent. When Meera attained she started dancing and singing. Kabir’s life is that of song. But remember, in his song there is silence. And in Meher Baba’s silence, there is song. If you listen attentively to Meher Baba’s silence, you will be full of a song, you will feel it showering on you. And if you listen to Kabir silently, you will see that his song is nothing but a message for silence.</em></span></p><p>MEHER BABA HAS TALKED ABOUT GOD DESCENDING IN MAN (AVATAR, RASOOL, CHRIST) AND MAN RISING TO BE GOD (THE PERFECT MASTER, SADGURU, QUTUB, TEERTHANKARA). WOULD YOU PLEASE TALK TO US ABOUT THE SAME?</p><p>God is. He neither ascends nor descends. Where can he ascend to and where can he descend to? God is all. There is nothing in to which God can ascend or descend. There is nobody else other than God. All that is, is divine. So, the first thing: there is no ascendance, no descendance. But when Meher Baba says it, there must be some meaning in it. The meaning is something quite different. Let me explain it to you.</p><p>God IS, remember. God is a pure <strong><em>isness</em></strong>, pure existence, and there is nowhere for God to go or come. The whole is full of him. He fills HIS existence, one thing. Second thing: but Meher Baba must be true. Then there must be some other meaning to it – not God descending and ascending. What can be the meaning? The meaning is there are two ways of man approaching God.</p><p>What do I mean by “man” when God is the only reality?</p><blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow not-prose"><p class="not-prose">Man is the God who has forgotten that he is God; man is a God who has forgotten himself.Man can remember his godliness in two ways. One way is that of surrender, devotion, love, prayer; another way is that of will, effort, meditation, yoga. If a man tries to work his way through will, then he will feel he is ascending towards God or he is reaching towards God through his will.</p></blockquote><p>Hence Jainas call the man who attains to godliness a TIRTHANKARA. TIRTHANKARA means consciousness has reached the peak; man has arrived by ascending, as if there has been a ladder, the ladder of the will, the ladder of effort and yoga. So is the concept of the Buddhas; that too is the path of will.</p><blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow not-prose"><p class="not-prose">AVATAR means God descending; that is another approach, when a man surrenders. He cannot ascend. He simply opens his heart and waits, prays and waits, and suddenly he starts feeling a stirring in his heart. Certainly, he will see “God has descended in me.” Avatar means descendance, God coming down. Mahavir went up. For Meera, God came down.</p></blockquote><p>But God never comes down, never goes up. God is where he is. But your experience will be different. If you try hard to achieve God, you will go higher and higher and higher; naturally you will feel the God hidden inside you is arising, rising up, reaching to the zenith.</p><p>But if you surrender, nothing is arising in you. You are where you are, you simply wait in deep prayer, in deep love, in deep trust, and one day you find God is descending in you, coming from above. These are the experiences of two types of seekers. It has nothing to do with God. It has something to do with the seeker and his way: will or surrender, effort or prayer, yoga or BHAKTI.</p><p>So, the religions which believe in BHAKTI, in devotion…. Christianity says Christ comes from God. That is the meaning of saying that he is God’s son – he comes from above; he has been sent. And that is the meaning of Mohammed – he is a prophet, a messenger, PAIGAMBAR. PAIGAMBAR means a messenger who comes from above, brings the message. He does not belong to this world; he comes like a ray of light into the darkness. And so is the concept of the Hindus’ avatar – Krishna, Ram – they come, they come into the world.</p><p>The Buddhist, the Jaina concept is just the reverse. 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<p>You create God in your own image, as if God also has a family. He has a family – the Trinity: God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost must be a woman; otherwise the family will not be exactly as it should be. But why don’t Christians call the Holy Ghost a woman? Male chauvinism. They cannot make a woman also part of the Trinity; it is difficult for them, very difficult for them. So, to what have they reduced their God? It seems to be a homosexual family. All men, not a single woman there. It looks ugly. But my feeling is that the Holy Ghost must be a woman. We create God in our own image.</p><p>Jainas and Buddhists say that there is no God and there is no God’s family and nobody comes from there. Then what has one to do? One has to arise. God is in you like a seed, as a tree arises from the earth and goes higher and higher. God is not like rain falling, but a tree arising. Man has the seed. Man is potentially God. So, when you work hard, you start growing.</p><p>These are the two concepts. That’s why Meher Baba says, “… God descending in man (<em>Avatar, Rasool,</em> Christ) and man rising to be God (the Perfect Master, <em>Sadguru, Qutub, Tirthankara</em>).” But it has nothing to do with God.</p><p><strong><u>Source:</u></strong></p><p>This is an excerpt from the transcript of a public discourse by Osho in Gautam Buddha Hall, Shree Rajneesh Ashram, Pune, India.</p><p>Discourse series:</p><p><strong>The First Principle</strong></p><p>Chapter #4<br>Chapter title: Go with the River<br>14 April 1977 am in Buddha Hall</p><p><strong><u>References:</u></strong></p><p>Osho has spoken on <strong>Mystics</strong> like Dadu, Farid, Gurdjieff, J. Krishnamurti, Kabir, Nanak, Mehr Baba, Patanjali, Swami Ram Teerth, Rumi, Sahajo, Sai Baba, Saraha, Socrates, Tilopa, Zarathustra and many more in His discourses. Some of these can be referred to in the following books/discourses:</p><ol type="1"><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/sermons-in-stones#.YBEQRBZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/sermons-in-stones#.YBEQRBZS-M8" class="not-prose">Sermons in Stones</a></li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/come-come-yet-again-come#.YBEQXhZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/come-come-yet-again-come#.YBEQXhZS-M8" class="not-prose">Come Come Yet Again Come</a></li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-hidden-splendor#.YBEQeRZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-hidden-splendor#.YBEQeRZS-M8" class="not-prose">The Hidden Splendor</a></li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/beyond-enlightenment#.YBEQlBZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/beyond-enlightenment#.YBEQlBZS-M8" class="not-prose">Beyond Enlightenment</a></li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-new-dawn-1#.YBEQrxZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-new-dawn-1#.YBEQrxZS-M8" class="not-prose">The New Dawn</a></li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-sword-and-the-lotus-discourse-1-to-24-in-pen-drive#.YBEQxhZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-sword-and-the-lotus-discourse-1-to-24-in-pen-drive#.YBEQxhZS-M8" class="not-prose">The Sword and The Lotus</a></li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-fish-in-the-sea-is-not-thirsty#.YBEQ3RZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-fish-in-the-sea-is-not-thirsty#.YBEQ3RZS-M8" class="not-prose">The Fish in the Sea is Not Thirsty</a></li><li>Socrates Poisoned Again After 25 Centuries</li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/yoga-the-alpha-omega-discourses-1-to-100-in-pen-drive#.YBERBxZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/yoga-the-alpha-omega-discourses-1-to-100-in-pen-drive#.YBERBxZS-M8" class="not-prose">Yoga: The Alpha and the Omega, Vol 1</a></li><li>The Path of Love</li><li><a href="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-book-of-wisdom-discourse-1-to-28-in-pen-drive#.YBEROxZS-M8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" title="http://oshoworldgalleria.com/the-book-of-wisdom-discourse-1-to-28-in-pen-drive#.YBEROxZS-M8" class="not-prose">The Book of Wisdom</a></li></ol><style>.footer-ad{display: none !important;}</style><link property="stylesheet" rel="stylesheet" href="/style/sliderPro.css" type="text/css" media="all"><script src="/js/sliderPro.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" id="sliderScript">const sleep = ms=> new Promise(resolve => setTimeout(resolve, ms));
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