The Fish in the Sea is Not Thirsty 02

Second Discourse from the series of 15 discourses - The Fish in the Sea is Not Thirsty by Osho.
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The first question:
Would you please speak a little on witnessing and the heart. Can they be experienced simultaneously?
Witnessing and the heart are one and the same thing. Witnessing is not of the mind; the mind can never be a witness. When you start witnessing, the mind becomes the witnessed, not the witness. It is the observed, not the observer. You see your thoughts moving, your desires, your fantasies, your memories, your dreams – just as you see things moving on the screen of a film. But you are not identified with them.
That nonidentification is what is meant by witnessing. Then who is the witness? The mind is being seen, so who is the seer? ? it is the heart. So the heart and witnessing are not two things. If you witness, you will be centered in the heart; or if you are centered in the heart, you will become a witness. These are two processes to reach the same goal. The lover, the devotee, never thinks of witnessing; he simply tries to reach the heart, the source of his being. Once he has reached the heart, witnessing comes of its own accord.
The meditator never thinks of love and the heart; he starts by witnessing. But once witnessing is there, the heart opens because there is no other place from where to witness. The path of the meditator and the path of the devotee are different, but they culminate in one experience. At the ultimate point they reach the same peak.
You can choose the path, but you cannot choose the goal – because there aren’t two goals, there is only one goal. Of course, if you have followed the path of a devotee, you will not talk of witnessing when you have arrived; you will talk of love. If you have followed the path of meditation, you will not talk of love when you have arrived, you will talk of witnessing. The difference is only of words, language, expression – but that which is expressed is one and the same reality.

The second question:
How to see what is?
There is no how to see what is because if you are carrying a how you will distort it. “That which is” needs no method, no technique, to see it – just silence, a transparent stillness, with no thought in the mind, not even the thought of a certain method; with no strategy because all strategies are bound to distort.
In fact, no-mind is needed to see that which is. The mind means thoughts. If there is a traffic of thoughts, you will never be able to see what is, you will see something else. You will see what your thoughts allow you to see. Your thoughts prevent much reaching you.
You will be surprised to know what modern psychological researchers have come to know that ninety-eight percent of reality is not allowed to enter your being; the mind only allows two percent. So whatever you see is only two percent of reality. And because the mind allows only two percent of reality in, it gives you the feeling that this is the whole and you live in a false world. You think the part is the whole. You live accordingly and your whole life becomes a falsification.
The mind is a judge and allows only that which suits it, which fits with it, which nourishes, strengthens it. It does not allow anything that goes against it. For example, you are listening to me. Your mind will allow only that which helps to strengthen your opinions, your ideologies. If you are a Christian, you will hear one thing, if you are a Buddhist, you will hear something totally different. If you have come here with a prejudice, for or against, you will hear different things. I am saying the same thing, but a Christian will interpret it in his own way, the Buddhist in his own way, the communist in his own way.
One who has come with a determined idea that I am wrong will find all the arguments that help his prejudice. Each prejudice tries to get support for itself. So if you think any methodology is needed to see that which is, then from the very beginning, you are starting in a wrong way.
That which is, is already there – be silent, without any prejudice, without any ideology, atheist, theist, without any concept, without any a priori. Simply remain available, open, like a child who knows nothing. Function from the state of not knowing and you will be able to see what is.
Let me repeat: Function from the state of not knowing. If you know, you will distort – knowledge is the mind. The state of not knowing means that you have put the mind aside; now your eyes are without dust, your mirror is clean. It will reflect, it will reflect that which is.
This is the way one comes to encounter reality – and the encounter is going to be shattering. It is not going to help your ideas about it. It will destroy all that you have always thought to be right. It is going to surprise you. It is going to show you that up to now you have lived in a dream, you have lived in your own projections, and have not allowed reality to penetrate you. On the contrary, you have created a world of your own ideas around yourself. You have lived in a capsule, without any windows. That’s how people are living.
A Christian, a Hindu, a Mohammedan cannot know reality. Only a man who is courageous enough to drop all this garbage, who can simply be, who can simply be innocent… Jesus says to his disciples, “Unless you are like small children you will not enter in my Kingdom of God.” He is saying, “Function from the state of not knowing.”
The Upanishads say: “Those who claim to know, beware. They know nothing. Those who say they know not, surrender to them – because there is a possibility of some transformation happening around them, with them, in communion with them.”
Socrates at his ultimate peak of wisdom said, “I know only one thing, that I know nothing.”
Function from the state of not knowing; it will bring you immense, ecstatic experiences because the person who is without knowledge is capable of wondering. The person who is without knowledge is capable of awe. He can dance seeing a roseflower, he can sing because the sky is full of stars. He can be in tune with existence. Seeing a sunset, he can go into wild ecstasy – because he knows nothing. Life is a mystery to him. Knowledge demystifies life. And because he knows nothing, everything – the most ordinary too – becomes absolutely extraordinary, luminous, because everything is mysterious.
Everything is mysterious. Your knowledge simply hides your ignorance and destroys your capacity to be mystified. Knowledge is destructive of mysticism. Hence, all the mystics of all the ages have been saying one single thing: “Drop knowledge – all knowledge is rubbish. Be in a state of not knowing and function from that state. Look at trees like a child, look at the moon like a poet, look at the sky like a madman.”
Don’t ask how to see what is because that question “How?” simply means you want some methodology, some knowledge, some information, so that you can interpret reality. But reality is uninterpretable. You want something so that you can explain to yourself what it is all about – but reality is unexplainable. You would like to define reality – but it is indefinable.
Be ready to be surprised. I have heard…

Michelangelo was painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. He was getting tired of lying on his back, and while rolling over noticed an Italian woman praying down in the chapel. The great artist decided to play a little prank.
He sat at the edge of the scaffold and shouted, “I am Jesus Christ! I am Jesus Christ! Listen to me and I will perform miracles!”
The Italian lady looked up, clasping her rosary and answered back, “Shut upa your mouth! I’ma talka to your mother!”

Just think of Michelangelo… Life is like that. It brings surprises each moment. You go on missing; you go on missing because you can’t see those surprises. You are so full of expectations, you are so full of ready-made answers that you go on interpreting it according to your own mind. You pass through a miraculous world, dull, dead, dragging. This world is nothing but miracles and miracles; each moment they are happening. Existence is not miraculous in a miserly way; it is overflowing with miracles. But you have to be again a little child, you have to be again innocent.
It is not a question of method, not a question of how. It is more a question of understanding the very process of how the mind functions. When you have understood how the mind functions, you will put it aside. Then there is no barrier between you and reality. When there is no barrier, there is no separation either because it is the barrier that separates. When there is no barrier, you are one with reality. In that oneness, reality reveals its secrets to you.

The third question:
Do I have to forget myself to lose my ego?
It is not a question of forgetting yourself – on the contrary, it is a question of remembering yourself. What is the ego? ? the ego exists because you have forgotten yourself, because you don’t remember who you are. It is very difficult to live without some idea of who you are. Not knowing the reality of your being, you have to create a false substitute.
What is the ego? ? the ego is the false substitute that you have created for the self. It is not your self, but it is very difficult to live without a self. It will be almost impossible to live without a self. Some kind of self is needed, is a must; otherwise, how will you keep yourself together? You will start falling apart.
Even if the center is false, it helps you. Even a false center keeps you at least somehow together. You have forgotten yourself – hence you need the ego. If you remember yourself, there will be no need for the ego.
Eva, you ask: “Do I have to forget myself to lose my ego?” The ego is not anything real that you have to lose or you can lose because you don’t have it in the first place. It is just an idea, a shadow; it is nonexistential. It is like your name. When you were born, you did not come with a name. Then someone – your mother, your father, your family – started calling you “Eva.” Some name is needed to call you by; it is utilitarian.
Your name is the first name that was ever given. When Havva was created because man was alone – Adam was alone and was very depressed because of the loneliness… whole of existence, and Adam was lonely! He asked God to give him a companion and God created a woman. God asked Adam, “What are you going to call her? What name would you like to give her?” And he was so ecstatic that now at least there was someone with whom he could be friendly; someone with whom he could be loving, he could talk, communicate with; someone with whom there was a possibility of relating. He was no longer alone! He was so ecstatic he said he would call this creature “Eve, Eva, Havva.” “Why?” God asked. Adam replied, “Eve, Eva or Havva means life – she is my life. Without her I was almost dead.”
When Eve was created, there was no name for her. A name was given to her because Adam would need it. Sometimes he would have to call her: “Where are you?” Sometimes the name would be needed – but a name is a false thing, it is just a label. We give names to people just to make it helpful to commune, to relate, to call, to address. But names are not real. You need not drop them and even if you drop them nothing will be dropped.
You can drop this name “Eva” – and nothing will be dropped, simply an idea. You are no longer attached to it. In exactly the same way: the name is for others to call you by, but you need something to call yourself by too. That’s what the ego is: I.
If you want to say something about yourself, you need some word. And that word is “I.” Names are for others to call you by. The ego is for you to call yourself by, to address yourself. It is also false, it does not exist. You needn’t lose it. All that is needed is to understand it. Why has this “I” become so important, why has it become so significant, so central, so substantial? A shadow has become so substantial. Why? ? because you don’t know your real self.
When Jesus says “I,” he does not mean the same “I.” When he says, “I am the gate, I am the truth, I am the way.” His “I” doesn’t connote any ego. When Krishna says to Arjuna, “Come to my feet, surrender to me.” His “me” is not the same as your “me.”
Buddha used to say to his disciples: “Be a light unto yourself.” A great King, Prasenjita, had come to see him. He saw many sannyasins coming and bowing to Buddha and saying: “Buddham sharanam gachchhami – I go to the feet of the Buddha. Sangham sharanam gachchhami – I go to the feet of the community of the buddhas. Dhammam sharanam gachchhami – I go to the feet of the ultimate law, the ultimate law that supports existence, that runs like a thread and makes existence a garland.”
Prasenjita was a man of logic, well-educated, sophisticated. He was a little puzzled. He asked Buddha, “Excuse me Sir, but you say to people, ‘Be a light unto yourself.’ They surrender to you and touch your feet – and you don’t prevent them. This is illogical, this is contradictory. If you say ‘Be a light unto yourself,’ then there is no need to surrender to anyone else. Why should they touch your feet?”
Buddha laughed and said, “They are not my feet and they are not surrendering to me – because there is no one inside me as the ego who can claim. I am just an excuse – they are surrendering. It is not a surrender to me, it is simply a surrender. I am just an excuse. They are not yet capable of surrendering without any excuse. I allow them to use me as an excuse. But there is no one to whom they are surrendering.”
That’s exactly the meaning of a buddha: one who is not. In the sense of an ego, one who is not. But as far as the supreme self is concerned, the ultimate self is concerned, he is and you are not. The ego is a false idea. It is needed because the real self is unknown.
You need not forget yourself to lose the ego. In fact, that’s how you have gained it. You need to remember yourself, not to forget but to remember. You have to become more aware and alert, you have to wake up. You have to see who you are, not what has been told to you; that you are a woman, a man, a Hindu, a Christian, a white or a black – not what has been told to you.
You will have to go inside your being to the very innermost core and see who you are. In that very seeing, in that very remembering, the ego disappears. When the light comes, darkness disappears and when the real self is remembered, the unreal is no longer needed. And it is not that you have to drop it; it is simply not found.
We live in the ego. We go on finding new props for it in every possible way. In every act we go on nourishing it – even in those actions of which you are not the doer, you go on claiming that you are doing it. People say, “I am breathing.” Just look at the absurdity of it. If you are breathing then you will never die. Death will come and stand in front of you and you will go on breathing. You may not oblige death, you may say, “I am not going to stop breathing.”
You are not breathing; breathing is not your activity, it is not your doing. It is happening. You cannot breathe. If it stops, it stops. If the next breath is not going to come back, you will not be able to do anything. Breathing is a happening, but man has made it, or at least believes it to be, a doing.
You say, “I love.” Even the expression “love-making” is utter nonsense. You cannot love; you can’t not love. Love is a happening, not a doing. What can you do about love? Either it happens or it doesn’t happen. If you try, it will be something false and it will not be love at all – it will only be acting.
If you are ordered to love a woman or a man, what are you going to do? You will go through empty gestures. You will hug and kiss and go through all the movements, with no love at all. The whole thing will be mechanical. That’s what is going on, it’s what goes on around the world. The wife has to love the husband, the husband has to love the wife. It is a kind of duty to be fulfilled. It becomes a performance, acting. It is not real, hence it is not satisfying. It brings no contentment, no fulfillment.
The ego is very cunning in that way. It goes on finding supports, props, new pastures to feed itself on. If you fail, you blame circumstances. If you succeed, it is you who have succeeded. If you fail, it is fate, kismet; if you fail, it is society, the ugly society; if you fail, it is the cunning people, the cunning competitors. But if you succeed, you succeed.
A great Sufi story…

Mulla Nasruddin took his disciples to an exhibition. Many things were going on at the exhibition. At one place people were staking a lot of money and trying to shoot arrows at a certain target. Mulla gathered his disciples and said, “Come, and I will show you something.” – that is the Sufi way of teaching the disciples. He took the bow and arrow. A great crowd gathered. “A Sufi master with his disciples – something is going on!” People were very silently watching. With great show, Mulla shot the arrow. It fell very short, it never reached the target. The crowd started laughing. Mulla said, “Stop! Don’t be foolish.” He turned to his disciples and said, “Look, this is what happens when you live with an inferiority complex. This is how the person who suffers from an inferiority complex will act – he will never reach the target; he will fall short. His whole heart is not in it.”
The crowd became silent. “Yes, there is a lesson in it.”
The next arrow simply went far ahead, it left the target behind. That was also a failure; the crowd started laughing again. Mulla said, “Be silent! You don’t understand these secrets.” He turned to his disciples and said, “Look, this is how a man who thinks himself very superior behaves. He will never reach the target. He runs so fast that he bypasses the goal and he doesn’t stop at the goal. He is too confident. He is also unbalanced.”
The crowd again became silent. “Yes, there is a lesson.”
Mulla tried the third time and the arrow went directly in the target. Now the crowd was silent and waiting for what Mulla was going to teach his disciples.
He went to the owner and demanded the money. The owner said, “Why?”
He replied, “This is me! The first was the arrow of a man who suffers from an inferiority complex; the second the arrow of a man who suffers from a superiority complex – and this is Mulla Nasruddin’s arrow. Where is the money?”

This is what we go on doing. In each situation, watch. When you fail, it is God, fate, society, circumstances… A thousand and one names. But the simple phenomenon is that you don’t want to take the responsibility because it hurts the ego. But when you succeed, it is always you. It is never God, never fate, never circumstances, never your cunning strategies, no. It is simply you, your talents, your genius, your intelligence. It is always you when you succeed.
Watch the ego and don’t feed it. It dies if you don’t feed it. If you stop feeding it, it starves to death.

Mrs. Cochrane was standing beside the coffin of her dead husband. Their son stood at her elbow. The mourners, one by one, passed in review.
“He is feeling no pain now,” said Mrs. Croy.
“What did he die of?”
“Poor fella,” said Mrs. Cochrane. “He died of the gonorrhea.”
Another woman gazed at the corpse. “He is well out of it now,” she said. “He has got a smile of serenity on his face. What did he die from?”
“He died of the gonorrhea,” said the widow.
Suddenly, the son pulled his mother aside. “Mom,” he said, “that’s a terrible thing to say about Pop. He didn’t die of gonorrhea – he died of diarrhea!”
“I know that,” said Mrs. Cochrane, “but I would rather have them thinking he died like a sport – instead of the shit that he was!”

The ego is constantly there, in every situation. It will not miss any situation to feed itself, to strengthen itself. Stop feeding the ego, that is the first thing to do. The second thing is to become more aware. Walking, walk with awareness; listening, listen with total awareness – not in a kind of sleep, not so-so, not lukewarm. Talking, talk with awareness. Whatever you are doing, let your whole life be colored by awareness. Slowly, slowly that awareness will bring you a vision of your real self.
So this is a double attack on the ego. First, don’t feed it. Second, become more aware, so the ego disappears by starvation and the self appears by being aware. Once the clouds of the ego are no longer there, the self rises like a sun. And that self has nothing to do with your “I.” Still the word will be used. I use it, Jesus uses it, Buddha uses it. It has to be used, but now it has a totally different meaning. On the lips of Buddha, Krishna, Christ, it has a totally different connotation.
When the being is transformed, everything is transformed – even the language that is uttered by a buddha has a totally different meaning. His words can’t have the same meaning. It is impossible because now a new light has happened and in that new light everything becomes new.
You live in darkness, you stumble in darkness, you grope in darkness. The man of awareness lives in light. He never stumbles, he never gropes. He moves with grace, he has a totally different quality of being, life, love.
Do two things. First, don’t feed the ego anymore – enough is enough – and second, become more aware. This is a double attack, from two sides. It always succeeds and has never failed.

The fourth question:
Never before have I felt so much love and never before so alone. Thank you, Osho…
It is something very deep to be understood, something of great significance. Love always brings aloneness. Aloneness always brings love. They are never separate.
People think just the opposite. People think, “When you are in love, how can you be alone?” They don’t make any distinction between two words: loneliness and aloneness. Hence the confusion.
When you are in love, you cannot be lonely; that is true. But when you are in love, you are bound to be alone – that is even far truer. Loneliness is a negative state. Loneliness means you are hankering for the other; loneliness means you are dark, dismal, in despair; loneliness means you are frightened; loneliness means you are feeling left behind; loneliness means no one needs you. It hurts. Loneliness is like a wound.
Aloneness is like a flower. I know your dictionaries say that loneliness and aloneness are synonyms – they are not. They are totally different phenomena. Loneliness is a wound and can turn into a cancer. Many more people die of loneliness than of any other disease. The world is full of lonely people and because of their loneliness they go on doing all kinds of stupid things to somehow stuff that wound, that hollowness, that emptiness, that negativity.
The lonely person starts eating too much, just to feel full. The lonely person starts gathering fat. The lonely person starts taking alcohol or other drugs, from soma to LSD – because he wants to forget himself. The loneliness is so ugly, so scary, so deathlike that one wants to escape from it. The lonely person sits before his TV, glued to the chair for four, five, even six hours. The average American sits for six hours before the TV – just burning his eyes. But what else to do? Where to go? With whom to commune?
Communication has stopped. People are not talking to each other; at the most they talk at the other, but not to the other. People have forgotten how to reach the other, people have become parallel lines, running very close but meeting nowhere. Even husbands and wives, even friends, even so-called lovers are parallel lines never meeting anywhere – running very close, hoping that tomorrow the meeting will happen. But that is just a hope, just an illusion. That keeps people somehow going on.
It is like if you go to the rail-track and see the rails running parallel – far away in the distance they appear to be meeting, but they never meet. You can go to that place and you will not find them meeting. As you move closer, the meeting point will move farther away. The distance between you and the so-called meeting point will remain the same.
The world is very lonely; hence people get into drugs or sex, or any kind of entertainment that keeps them, at least for the time being, forgetful of the loneliness. The wound is oozing with pus. We hide it in many ways – with great possessions, with a big palace, with much money, with new gadgets – but the wound continues and the gadgets won’t hide it. You can have the biggest house in the world and still you will be as lonely in it as you were in your small cottage. It is not going to make any difference – possessions cannot change your inner loneliness.
People go on relating with others, but because they are both lonely, relationship is not possible. Relationship cannot grow out of need. Relationship grows only out of overflowing energies, never out of need. If one person is needy and the other is also needy, then both will try to exploit the other. The relationship will be that of exploitation, not of love, not of compassion. It will not be of friendship. It will be a kind of enmity – very bitter, but sugar-coated. Sooner or later, the sugar wears out. By the time the honeymoon is over the sugar is gone and all is bitter. And now they are caught. First they used to be lonely separately, now they are lonely together – which hurts even more. Just watch a husband and wife sitting in a room, both lonely. On the surface together, deep down lonely. The husband lost in his own loneliness, the wife lost in her own loneliness. The saddest thing in the world is to see two lovers, a couple and both lonely; the saddest thing in the world.
Aloneness is totally different. Aloneness is a flower, a lotus blooming in your heart. Aloneness is positive, aloneness is health. It is the joy of being yourself. It is the joy of having your own space.
Yes, when you are in love you feel aloneness. Aloneness is beautiful, aloneness is a blessing. But only lovers can feel it because only love gives you the courage to be alone, only love creates the context to be alone. Only love fulfills you so deeply that you are no longer in need of the other – you can be alone. Love makes you so integrated that you can be alone and ecstatic. Love becomes the contrast; love and aloneness are two polarities of one energy.
It is good to understand it because sometimes it happens that lovers don’t allow each other space enough to be alone. If lovers don’t allow each other space to be alone, then love will be destroyed because it is out of aloneness that love gets fresh energy, fresh juices. When you are alone, you accumulate energy to a point from where it starts overflowing.
That overflowing becomes love and you can share it with your friend, your woman, with anyone you love. You have enough to share now – in fact, too much. You have to share. It is not that you are obliging the other; in fact, you are being obliged by the other. When the cloud is heavy it has to rain. It is grateful to the earth that it allowed it to rain, that it absorbed it, that it received it like a guest, that it welcomed it. When the flower opens, it has to release its fragrance. It is thankful to the winds that they have taken its fragrance in all directions.
When alone, one gathers energy. Energy is life, delight, love, dance, celebration. Everything is possible if energy is there. It will become a song, a dance and it will become love. When there is too much energy there, only then can it become orgasmic.
Many people make love, but have no idea of what an orgasm is because they are already dissipated. When they are making love, they are empty; when they are making love, there is no energy to be shared. When they are making love, they cannot overflow. Their orgasm is at the most genital. Their orgasm is a very small, mediocre thing; nothing of any spiritual value. It is like a sneeze. Yes, after a sneeze you feel a little better. Or like scratching your back – it feels good. You are relieved.
An orgasm is not a relief, it is a celebration. An orgasm is a meeting of you, through the other, with the whole. An orgasm is always divine – the other becomes the door and you enter the divine. Orgasm is always spiritual, it is never sexual. Those who think that orgasm is sexual have not understood anything at all. They don’t know anything about sex and they don’t know anything about orgasmic experiences. Orgasm is always samadhi, ecstasy. But people don’t know because they meet out of need, not out of overflowing energies.
So when you are in love, a great need arises to be alone – only in love, remember, a great need arises to be alone. Real lovers are those who give freedom to the other to be alone. Soon, they will be full of energy and will come together and shower their energy on each other. When alone, the great desire to share will arise. See the rhythm: when in love, you would like to be alone; when alone, soon you would like to be in love. Lovers come close and go away, come close and go away – there is a rhythm. Going away is not anti-love, going away is just getting your aloneness again – the beauty and the joy of it. Whenever you are full of joy, an intrinsic, inevitable necessity arises to share it. No one can contain joy – and the joy that can be contained by you is not of much worth. The joy is bigger than you, it cannot be contained by you. It is a flood. You cannot contain it. You have to seek and search for people to share it with.
What happens in your love affairs happens on a higher plane to all the buddhas. When Buddha became enlightened, he became so full of energy, so full of joy, that he had to share it. For forty-two years he went from one village to another, constantly sharing his joy.
That’s what I am doing with you. I am not a teacher. I have nothing to teach, no teaching to impart, no information… But I am here to share my being. I am too full, the cloud is too heavy. And if you can receive me, I will be grateful to you.
It is out of too much that sharing arises. And enlightenment, buddhahood, christ consciousness, bridge you with existence. Infinite sources of energy become available to you. Inexhaustible sources are yours. You can go on sharing and the more you share, the more goes on coming to you.
Aloneness has reached its ultimate peak. The master is the most alone person in the world; hence, the master is the greatest lover in the world. You cannot find a greater lover than Buddha or Christ. But now the love is so qualitatively different that it has the quality of friendship, compassion, empathy. The passion has disappeared.
Passion is tiny, small; compassion is immense, huge, enormous, infinite. When passion becomes infinite, it is compassion.
Your experience is beautiful and you have understood its beauty; hence, you have felt like thanking me. You say, “Never before have I felt so much love and never before so alone.” Those are two aspects of the same coin.
You say, “Thank you, Osho.” You have understood it. I am happy that you have been able to see the connection between love and aloneness. Enjoy both. Never choose one out of the two because if you choose one, both will die. Allow both to happen. When aloneness happens, move into it; when love happens, move into it. Aloneness means moving in, love means moving out.
Aloneness is the breath going in, love is the breath going out. If you stop one, you will die. You cannot hold the breath in, you cannot hold the breath out. Breathing is a total process and in the total process the incoming breath is as essential as the outgoing breath. Love is the outgoing breath, aloneness is the incoming breath. That’s how your soul lives; that’s how you become soulful.
Allow both. Never choose. Choicelessly allow both. Go with wherever the breath is going. Aloneness is interiority, love is exteriority.
Carl Gustav Jung has made these words very famous. He divided people basically into two types: the introverts and the extroverts. That is a wrong division. People cannot be categorized that way. People cannot be pigeonholed this way. I have never come across anyone who is just introvert – he will die immediately because he will have only the in breath. I have never come across a person who is just extrovert – he will die too. People are both. It is possible that one is more of an extrovert than an introvert and vice versa. That’s what brings imbalance to your personality. One should be both simultaneously. One should be balanced.
My sannyasins have to be extrovert introverts, introvert extroverts – both together. This is one of the most important things to be understood because in the past monks have tried to be just introverts. They were called the otherworldly people, the people who renounce the world and move into the monasteries, the mountains, the deserts. They decided that only to be an introvert is the right way to connect with God – as if God is not without, but only within.
And the other, the worldly person, has remained extrovert. He thinks he has nothing to do with introversion, meditation, prayer. His interest is in money, power, prestige, people, crowds – the world. He never looks in. This is a very schizophrenic arrangement.
I would like my sannyasins not to be schizophrenic, but whole. To be in the world and yet be not of it. Move between the outside and the inside, letting the movement become as smooth as possible, as simple as possible – just as you come out of your house into the garden. It’s too cold inside, so you come out. It’s too sunny outside and soon you start feeling hot, you start perspiring and move in – into the house, into the coolness and the shade of the house. Just as you move inside the house and outside the house, just go on moving in and out – both are yours.
The old sannyasins, the old monks, claimed only the inner and denied the outer. My message is that nothing has to be denied – the whole belongs to you. I give you the whole universe, the inner and the outer both. I wouldn’t like you to become introverts because those who are introverts – against extroversion – become ill, pathological, dormant, stagnant, closed, disconnected, uprooted. They start living a windowless existence. They start living in unnecessary misery. They never come to know what aloneness is because aloneness cannot be known without love. And they only know loneliness. Loneliness is not health; loneliness is illness.
The people who live only in the outside world and never think of the inner, they are on the other extreme. They know something of love, but their love is never more than lust – because love cannot happen unless aloneness has also happened in you. Their love is a beautiful name for lust. They need the other, they exploit the other, they possess the other. And when you possess the other, the other possesses you. People become slaves and are reduced to things. People are no longer people.
The person who lives only on the outside, without knowing his inside, is poor, very poor – unaware of his inner treasures. The person who lives only in the inside is also poor because he never becomes aware of the beauty of existence, of the stars, of the sands and the sun, of the trees and the birds.
The inner and the outer are not two. The inner is the inner of the outer and the outer is the outer of the inner. My sannyasin has to be both together. I would like to create a new man whom Carl Gustav Jung cannot categorize, cannot call extrovert or introvert. He will have to find a new word because the new man will be whole, he will be both. He will be as much in his body as in his soul, he will be a materialist as much as a spiritualist. He will be of this world as much as of that. He will have no division in his mind and no choice.
Something beautiful has happened to you – go on moving in the same direction. Don’t go astray because it is very easy to go astray. Our old habits, our old concepts, go on dragging us back to the old patterns. Your mind will say, “This is not aloneness, this is loneliness.” Your mind will try to destroy it by calling it loneliness. Beware. Beware of your own mind because there is no greater enemy than your own mind.
And by “mind” I mean your past. Go on dying to the past and go on learning new things. You have stumbled upon something tremendously valuable, utterly new and fresh. Love brings aloneness; aloneness brings love. That too will happen.
Now you have said, “Never before have I felt so much love and never before so alone.” I would like each of my sannyasins to feel like Turiya – feel alone and feel love. Never create any conflict between the two. Create a symphony out of the two and you will have a richness which is very rare.

The fifth question:
If I ever get enlightened, am I going to be as crazy as you are?
Crazy you will be, but you will be crazy in your own way. You cannot be crazy as I am. Your craziness will have an individuality of its own.
Krishna is crazy in his own way, but it happened only once and was never repeated. Just think of Krishna playing on his flute – you cannot conceive Christ playing on the flute. He is crazy in his own way; he carries his cross. Now what connection can you find between the flute and the cross? Just put a flute by the side of the cross and it will look like a very absurd arrangement – a surrealist arrangement. Absurd, utterly absurd.
Meera became enlightened and danced and danced. Her whole life she danced from one village to another, singing songs of God, of love. Buddha became enlightened and became utterly silent, quiet, still. It is not an accident that the first marble statues made were of Buddha – he looked like a marble statue, he sat like a marble statue. Now, it is impossible to make a marble statue of Meera. She is so volatile. She is more like a river than like a marble rock. You cannot make a statue of Meera – it will be a falsification because the statue will not be able to dance. And without dance, there is no Meera. Meera’s statues can only be made by fountains, not by marble rocks. Yes, in a fountain it is possible to make a statue of Meera, but it has to be dynamic, it has to be a dance.
Meera is crazy in her own way. And these people are never repeated. All enlightened people are simply unique. Just the other day I was telling you about the laughing buddha of Japan – he laughed his whole life. Laughter became his message.
Existence never repeats. It always comes in new forms, new expressions, new revelations. Never use the word if. You are going to become enlightened! Don’t be so afraid. Why “if”? This is not a question of “ifs” and “buts.” You are going to become enlightened – because enlightenment is not something like an achievement, it is your very nature. Any day, turn in and you are enlightened – any day. Monday will do, Tuesday will do, any day! There are only seven days…
Any moment you turn in… Enlightenment is not something like a faraway goal. It is very close by, the closest. Even to say that it is close is not right – it is you. There is no distinction, no distance between you and enlightenment. Know yourself and you are enlightened – and you are already there. Nothing has to be added to your being. All that is needed is a one-hundred-and-eighty-degree turn – and you will be crazy.
Yes, it is better to call enlightened people crazy because the so-called sane in the world are really insane. If the so-called sane are sane, then Buddha is crazy, Christ is crazy, I am crazy. Sooner or later you are going to be crazy. I hope it will be sooner.
But one thing is certain. You will not be like me – and you need not be. It is good that you cannot be like me, otherwise there will be imitations, otherwise there will be actors, otherwise there will be pseudo people. Many have tried; that’s how religions are born. Millions have tried to be like Christ; not a single one has become a Christ. Millions have tried and instead of becoming Christs, they have become Christians – and to be a Christian is ugly, is stupid, unintelligent.
To be a Christ is really something, but when you want to be a Christ you cannot imitate Christ. Learn from him, imbibe his being, but remember: God will manifest in you in a totally different way. It is unpredictable; no prophecy can be made. I cannot say how he will manifest in you because God is the craziest person in the world – unpredictable, absolutely unpredictable. He will find a way, he will find something new. It is good that he always finds something new because through that new the world becomes more and more enriched. Just think: Buddha, Krishna, Mahavira, Zarathustra, Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, are all like Christ. The world would look very sad, boring. Wherever you go, you meet Christ. You will get tired. It is good that once in a while the cross disappears and the flute appears. It is good that once in a while God comes dancing, it is good that once in a while he is silent, it is also good that once in a while he comes with a cross. All shades, all nuances, all dimensions…
You are a unique person, as everyone else is. No two persons are alike. How can two buddhas be alike? Not even two persons are alike, not even two pebbles on the seashore are alike. Your fingerprints are your fingerprints – what to say about the prints of your inner being? They are going to be separate, unique, incomparable.

The last question:
My Christian parents used to talk about God's promise to man and that when Jesus left this earth he promised his disciples he would return to take them to the Kingdom of God. Are you this promise come true? Are you Jesus Christ?
Why should I be Jesus Christ? One is enough. I am myself. I am just my being. I am neither Jesus Christ, nor Gautam Buddha, nor Vardhaman Mahavira. Why should I be? How can I be? I am not a carbon copy of anyone else; I have my original face.
But such questions arise. You love Jesus Christ and now you have fallen in love with me – it is your problem. Now you would like to bridge your two loves somehow. There must be a conflict inside. What to do now? Now you are in love with me and you have loved Jesus Christ. Deep down the mind will say, “Are you betraying Jesus? Falling in love with this man?” You don’t want to betray Jesus – and now you cannot betray me either. So the conflict. You would like an assurance that I am Jesus Christ so your problem is solved.
I am the same truth, but not the same expression. I am the same experience, but not the same expression. What Jesus knew, I know; what he experienced, I have experienced. But Jesus is Jesus, I am me, and that’s how it should be.

A section of Manhattan called the Bowery, home to winos and derelicts, has become the most famous Skid Row in the world. Here’s one of the reasons why:
At four o’clock in the morning a drunk staggered into a Bowery flophouse shouting, “I am Jesus Christ! I am Jesus Christ!”
The sleeping men were all awakened. “I am Jesus Christ! I am Jesus Christ!” blurted the wino.
“Ah, shut up!” howled the hotel inhabitants. “Be quiet!”
“I am Jesus Christ!” slobbered the inebriate. “I am Jesus Christ!”
“Will you let us get some sleep!”
“If you don’t believe me, come on downstairs and I will prove it to you!”
A few of the men got up and followed him outside where he walked up to a darkened saloon and began bellowing and banging on the door.
The proprietor who lived upstairs heard the noise, came down and opened the front door. He looked at the drunk and shouted, “Jesus Christ, are you here again?”
“You see, I told you!” said the drunk turning to his followers.

Jesus is beautiful, but there is no need for him to come again – and I don’t think he will dare. Just think of what you did with him. He may have promised, “I will come again,” but I promise you he will never come – because what you did with him you will do again. It is only new people who become enlightened, not knowing what is going to happen to them…
Enough for today.

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